Robert Moss is the author of Conscious Dreaming and Dreamgates,
as well as his newest book, Dreaming True, due out in September.
Dreaming True explores many levels of dreaming and how we
can dream with the body in order to stay well, work
with dream journals to catch and act on messages about the future
and how to dream our way to a better job, relationship or creative
fulfillment. Robert feels that through dreams we can become active
co-creators of our future, bringing positive energy and insight
from a deeper reality into our physical world. Below is an excerpt
of a conversation I had with Robert in July.
Connie: Tell me how you got into dreamwork.
Robert: Dreaming is my home base. I was born in Australia
where the Aborigines believe that the dream world is the real world,
the source - of our knowledge of our deepest selves and of all events
and patterns that manifest in our lives.
C: How long have you been teaching about dreaming?
R: Publicly, for about a decade. I've worked with my own
dreams all of my life and my dream journals for more than 30 years.
I tell people you have no idea what is possible for you in
dreaming until you start keeping a journal. Your journal is
the most important book on dreams you will ever read. You'll learn
that you dream the future all of the time. It's routine.
C: In your books you said you will learn about yourself
through dream journals.
R: Keeping a dream journal is a great way of maintaining
a dialogue with your god or goddess. Dreaming, keeping a dream journal,
and sharing dreams with others releases your gifts as a story teller.
You learn to become a much better communicator, able to shape stories
and tell them well. Being able to tell your story is power and magic.
It enables you to tap into your deeper life story, which involves
remembering who you are, where you come from and what you were meant
to become, and puts you in touch with your soul's purpose. One of
the things I learned when I started dreaming in the Mohawk language...
C: I loved that part of your book where you were talking
R: This was one of the watersheds in my life. The story
is in Conscious Dreaming. The language turned out to be an archaic
form of the Mohawk language. What I realized was that I was talking
to a woman healer and a warrior shaman from three centuries ago
who seemed to be talking to me across time. In the course of these
conversations I did a lot of research, I had to learn Mohawk to
interpret these dreams. These weren't those new age dreams where
you know everything all at once. When I had learned enough Mohawk
I figured out one of the words they used meant the secret
wish of the soul. We don't know what we want or need, but
the soul knows. Dreams tell us what the soul wants of us. And the
purpose of dreaming is to get in touch with what the soul wants
and honor those secret wishes of the soul. If we don't do what dreams
say, we lose part of our vital soul energy, we are no longer whole,
we become prone to sickness and misfortune. Dreaming puts us back
in touch with soul.
C: That is a wonderful story and I also loved the story
about Harriet Tubman.
R: I didn't know the stories of the underground railroad.
I was writing my new book Dreaming True. I asked for dream
guidance on how to bring the message to many more people. In the
dream Harriet Tubman said I am teaching the history of the
underground railroad to people all over North America and the world.
I didn't understand, but the dream had a positive feel, so I decided
to read about Harriet and reading with a dreamer's eye I learned
that she could fly in her dreams. So, when she decided to run away
from her owner she first flew over the land where she
was going and got an aerial map for her journey. When
she started leading others to freedom she also had dreams that led
her. During the time she was part of the Underground Railroad she
led more than 300 people out of slavery and didn't lose one.
In dreams we rehearse the future and receive life-preserving messages.
Two people in my current workshop dreamed of a terrible plane crash
in Europe the night the Concord went down. Their dreams gave specific
details including that the left wing was the problem. We dream this
information for ourselves and others. So, before we do anything
else with a dream we need to pause and say, wait a minute,
could this happen in waking life and if I don't like it could I
do something to change the outcome?
C: In your book you talk about the importance of nightmares.
Can you talk about their importance?
R: My definition of nightmare is that they are interrupted
dreams, so scary that you run away and leave them unfinished. When
a scary dream is followed through to conclusion it is not a nightmare.
What you need to learn to do is to go back into the dream and dream
it onwards to resolution. Face up to that adversary, dialogue with
it, if necessary fight it and overcome it. We will be practicing
this at your store in September, learning to go back inside a dream,
to claim power and bring a gift out of the dream. In the case of
nightmares, we must dream the dream to resolution. In the workshop
you learn to take a bodyguard into the dream with you. It is amazing
what happens when you learn to brave up to your fears
in the place of the dream. That adversary can turn out to be a friend
in disguise, who has something that will help you. We need to remember
that dreams are not on our case, they are on our side. In dreams,
modern Americans are always running away from wild animals, especially
bears. It is the bear that knows where the medicine plants are,
it's the bear who brings through healing in native American traditions.
So if you are running away from a bear you may be running from your
There's a story in Dreaming True about a woman who called
me early one morning. She was jerked out of sleep at 3 am from a
nightmare and she said she didn't remember the dream but thought
she was in a head on collision. So I say, can you go back
inside the dream? Where are you? She feels she is on her usual
road to work. What's the weather like? It's icy (there
is not ice on the road at that time). Where are you going
I'm going across the usual bridge and there is a little red
Honda coming the other way. The driver loses control and that is
when the collision takes place. She now has all this information.
Instead of getting paranoid about this dream we agree that she
will stay rational. About two weeks later she finds herself at the
light before the bridge and when the light turns green she doesn't
move despite the honks behind her. At the other end of the bridge
she sees a red Honda and as the car gets to the center of the bridge
the car loses control and heads toward the railing. My friend is
saved from the crash!
C: What an impressive story! Can you give us some tips about
using dream journals?
R: First make a date with your dreams. Ask for a dream--and
make sure your intention has some juice and energy in it. Say I'd
like to meet my soul mate or teacher or I'd like to visit Hawaii
or open myself to the power of healing in the night. When you wake
up, write whatever comes to you. If not a dream, write down the
first thought or feeling you have. Then title and date the dream.
Note your feelings. Ask yourself what do I need to know about this
dream. Run a reality check on the dream - is there any possibility
this dream could be played out in waking life. Then, write a one-liner
that describes the dream. You'll be amazed at what jumps out when
you distill your dream this way.
C: Robert, thank you for your time.
R: Thank you and my dreamers wish for you is may
your best dreams come true.
Robert will be at New Renaissance Bookshop on Saturday, September
16 for a workshop on Dreaming True. See the Calendar
of Events or call 503-224-4929 for information.
Connie Hill works at New Renaissance Bookshop and is a local
astrologer. She can be contacted at 503-291-8229, ext. 2 or firstname.lastname@example.org.