This is a telephone interview which took place just prior to Drunvalo's
travels to Europe in March 1999. Because Drunvalo was excited about
so many things we chose to focus on one of Drunvalo's favorite subjects...children.
about Indigo Children)
Diane: So Drunvalo...who are these "Children of the New Dream"
that you are so excited about?
Drunvalo: Well there are 3 different kinds of children emerging
in the world today that I have been able to identify. The first
are called the "Super Psychic Children of China". The second are
called the "Indigo Children" and the third are called the "Children
The first one, the "Super Psychics of China", we talked about
in the Flower of Life seminars. If you remember, the first one was
discovered in 1984 when a child was found who was psychic beyond
belief. Researchers conducted every psychic test you could imagine
and he was 100% correct every time. You could turn cards over in
another room and that didn't matter. He could perfectly know what
was on the card. So Omni magazine went to China and wrote an article
on this discovery. They found one child and then another. When they
went in 1984 they assumed it was a hoax so they did experiments
like putting 100 kids in a room and taking a book and randomly pulling
out a page. They would crumple it up and stick it under their arm.
These kids could read every word on the page. They did test after
test, and the response was flawless. The phenomena didn't stop there.
These kids are not just in China. They have spread all over the
world. I personally have been talking to parents who ask me, "...what
do we do.. I have a kid who knows everything?"
I believe Lee Carroll is calling the children being born here
in the U.S. "the Indigo Children". I personally think the two groups
are coming from the same source, however, I don't know that for
sure. There appears to be two separate groups, incredibly psychic
and amazing. It is the third group that I am most interested in
- the Children of AIDS. About 10 or 11 years ago in the US, there
was a baby born with AIDS. They tested him at birth and at 6 months
and he tested positive for AIDS. They tested him a year later and
he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until
he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he
was completely AIDS free! In fact, there was no trace that he ever
had AIDS or HIV whatsoever!
He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests
showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we
have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different
patterns that are called codons. Human DNA all over the world always
has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned
off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like
a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned
off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like
application programs in a computer. Anyway...this boy had 24 codons
turned on - 4 more than any other human being. Then they tested
this kid to see how strong his immune system was. They took a very
lethal dose of AIDS in a petri dish and mixed it with some of his
cells and his cells remained completely unaffected. They kept raising
the lethalness of the composition - and finally went up to 3,000
times more than what was necessary to infect a human being and his
cells stayed completely disease free. Then they started testing
his blood with other things like cancer and discovered that this
kid was immune to everything! Then they found another kid with these
codons turned on - then another one - then another one - then 10,000,
then 100,000, then a million of them - and at this point, UCLA,
by watching world-wide DNA testing, estimates that 1% of the world
has this new DNA. That breaks down to approximately 60 million people
who are not human by the old criteria.
Diane: Is this new codon activation found only in newborn children?
Drunvalo: Well, it's mostly children, but now they are finding
adults with it too - just like the hundredth monkey theory. Now
all kinds of people are being affected by it and it's spreading
fast. Remember, it started just 5 years ago with almost no one and
now it's spreading - just like a disease. It's like an outbreak
and this is only the beginning. The other part of this concerns
the new book entitled "Cracking the Bible Code" - which has to do
with running the Hebrew Books of the Bible through a specialized
computer program. If you go to page 164 of this book, it shows where
these researchers put the word 'AIDS' into the program to see what
would happen. When they did, the program translation provided words
like "HIV", "in the blood", "the immune system", "death" - all the
things you would think you'd see around the word AIDS, but down
in the corner was this sentence that they didn't understand and
it said - "the end of disease", and that is what I believe is happening
Science has stated that there are so many people showing up with
this new alien DNA that they now believe that a new human race is
being born on the earth today and apparently they can't get sick.
Now what is really incredible - they believe that it is a very specific
emotional, mental body response - a waveform coming off the body
that is causing the DNA to mutate in a certain way. I've sat with
Gregg Braden who was one of the first persons to write about this
and what we believe is that there are 3 parts to this phenomenon.
The first part is the mind that sees unity. It sees the Flower of
Life. It sees everything interconnected in all ways. It doesn't
see anything as separate. And the second part is being centered
in the heart - to be loving. And the third thing is to step out
of polarity - to no longer judge the world. As long as we are judging
the world as good or bad, then we are inside polarity and remain
the fallen state. I believe these people (with the new DNA) have
somehow stepped out of judging and are in a state where they see
everything as one and feeling Love. Whatever they are doing within
themselves is producing a waveform that when seen on computer screens
looks almost identical to the DNA molecule. So the researchers think
that by the very expression of their life that these people are
mapping with the DNA - resonating it - and are changing these 4
codons and in so doing become immune to the disease.
What they don't know and this is where a lot of research gets
to happen - is so maybe they are immune, but is there anything else?
They might be immortal, who knows. Maybe there are other characteristics
that we haven't even dreamed of. I often wonder if they are all
linked together? Is there some form of telepathic connection that
Diane: Have you met any of these people? Are they accessible?
Drunvalo: Well, I've known about this for over two years and I
have personally followed this path and I think I've moved into what
they are doing. I have gone into the merkabah and asked my subconscious
mind to change my codons in the same way and ever since I began
to do this over two years ago, I haven't been able to get sick.
I don't know if I've been able to change them or not. I guess the
only way I'd know is with a DNA test. However, I've been exposed
to all kinds of things and when someone gets sick I purposely get
close to them and try to get it. I've been trying to get sick -
and I can't. I feel something come on - it will last maybe an hour
and then it's gone. What is interesting is that hardly any of this
new DNA is found in the Super Psychic Children of China - almost
zero. It is, however, being found in Russia and the U.S. There seems
to be pockets of it and if what we are thinking is right - it has
to do with a very specific response which is where most people in
the New Age are headed for.
Diane: Do you think these people are creating the DNA changes
Drunvalo: I think someone has made the path - one child did it
somewhere. Then he put it into the grids and it is now in the subconscious
of the earth and is accessible to anyone. Once that happened I think
somehow or another other people have connected to this on a subconscious
level in deep meditation and prayer and made the change. A new race
is being born and it is one of the most remarkable phenomenon that
has happened on the planet! It's incredible that no one seems to
know about this until now!
Diane: Well, you are the only one I've ever heard speak about
Drunvalo: Well, I've been tracking this for about 2 years and
I've waited to say anything because I wanted to make sure it was
real. In the book called "The Indigo Children" there has been extensive
research on these children. There are websites you can go to if
you're a parent where they begin to interview you about exactly
what's going on with your child. Like I said earlier, these kids
know exactly what you're feeling and what you're thinking. You can't
hide anything from them. It's really amazing! I see it as a phenomenon
like the ET's except they aren't coming here in spaceship form -
they are coming here in spirit form making it personal by coming
into the earth's evolutionary cycle and joining with us. I've often
thought that when spirits come in on the right side of the planet
- Japan, China, and Tibet for instance, the incarnating being takes
on the psychic characteristics (of those people), and if they come
in on the western side - the logical side (i.e., physical characteristics)
- then the DNA comes in changed. But that's just speculation on
my part. I'm just looking at this and trying to understand what
is occurring. At the workshops I'm going to do in Seattle and Denver
in June, I'm going to bring everything I've learned together and
teach people to actually access this and make the change. I think
I know - or I'm very close.
Diane: And that has to do with putting yourself in a certain state
Drunvalo: Yes, a very specific state of consciousness produces
a change in your DNA - and I think it's just the beginning of much
more than that. The fact that it could be the end of disease is
just a tiny bit of the total picture.
Diane: How would this particular kind of work and discovery affect
the DNA activation work that seems to be popping up all over?
Drunvalo: Well, if you know your light body and you know how psychic
energy works and if you understand the connection of the subconscious
to all life on this planet, then you can go in and ask your subconscious.
Your subconscious knows exactly which codons those kids have changed
and if you ask for those things to happen through your light body
and in the presence of God, it should occur. It also requires dropping
polarity - no longer thinking in terms of good or bad, but seeing
the wholeness and completion and perfection of life. It is a very
definite mind, emotional and body response. The body response is
the one where your body simply does not acknowledge good or bad,
but sees that there is a higher purpose behind it all. We all know
this stuff - everyone from Jesus to Krishna to Sai Baba has been
talking about this for a long time, but this is the first I'm aware
of where something actually is changing in the outer environment.
People's DNA is really changing. Barbara Marciniak talked about
going to the 12-strand DNA, and I've talked about chromosome changes.
There have been many of us who have talked about this - but none
of this had been seen by science. Now it has been seen and it has
Diane: So, if that's the case, then what significance does that
have on our lives today?
Drunvalo: I believe that all of us have the choice to follow this
particular pattern that the children have set up or not. It is said
that the children will lead the way. If we wish to and we trust
these children, as I do - one of the side effects is the immunity
Diane: There are a lot of us who are choosing immortality. However,
some people would say that to be immune to disease is also to upset
the life/death cycle which has supposedly helped to keep the planet
in balance. How would you answer that?
Drunvalo: Well, I just don't judge it. This is happening and if
it is going to upset the cycle and it probably will in some way
- everything that is occurring in life has a reason and purpose
for it. Perhaps these people who don't get sick anymore - perhaps
they won't even die anymore and maybe their consciousness is so
aligned with the original purpose of earth that ultimately it would
mean an earth that is whole and complete and not one that is polluted
and deadly and over taxed. We could easily live with 6 billion people
or 20 billion...if...we live differently. There is plenty of space
and it's just that we are using our resources in ways that are killing
the planet. If we were to choose to live in different ways, that
might change. Maybe through these people the answers might become
apparent. For someone to move into a state where they are immune
to disease is a very powerful indication that they are definitely
in harmony with life somehow. We can equate this process with the
mutation of bacteria and viruses. We attack their systems with pollutants
such as penicillin for instance, and it kills them all except for
a few. Those few get stronger. Now what's happening is that these
bacteria are getting to the place where they are immune to the poisons
we are giving them. And have we not done the same thing? We are
mutating to a point where we are not affected by pollution or viruses
or by disease. And you know, there is another thing that happened
last year - AIDS dropped something like 47% - the largest drop of
a single disease in the history of the world. I believe that it
had a lot to do with this very thing we are talking about.
Diane: That's exciting!
Drunvalo: Yes, it is. I just let the earth prompt me where to
go. Of course, it is important to know our light bodies and how
to use them, but the children are very carefully saying - come this
way - and see where this leads.
Diane: So is this what your future workshops will be focused on?
Drunvalo: Yes. I will be putting everything I've learned in the
last two years from my research and the Earth/Sky work, into a simple
response where anyone can move into the place that the children
accessed. I'll do my best!